But I hope you're not suggesting that losing access to boot messages in
the kernel isn't a problem because we can all just get servers with
lights out management. Or get jobs where you're not even in the same
city as the hardware you service.
I think we should try not to say it's not a problem because it doesn't
effect me. I really doubt that the majority of blind sys admins work
primarily with servers with lights out managementor where the admin
isn't even in the same city as the hardware. I work for the University
of Wisconsin. Working for a university has an advantage for a blind
systems admin in that they care more about quality than speed. There are
a lot of linux systems admin jobs here. In fact, there was a position
open for 6 months because they couldn't find a qualified candidate at
the salary they were offering. But every one of the dozen or so jobs
I've seen advertized in the past year was for an on-site guy. In fact,
most of them were for jobs where you'd be the one and only linux admin.
On 10/08/14 17:52, Trevor Astrope wrote:
I'm a blind sys admin and I've never installed speakup on a server. The
servers I work with have lightsout management whereby I can get remote
access to the console and get more than just bootup messages, but also
the post messages and even interact with the bios on some hardware.
Granted, there is a bit of a gap between the time the kernel loads and
the time the serial driver is loaded, but it hasn't prevented me from
diagnosing issues that were preventing the system from booting.
At my current place of employment, the unix ops don't even work in the
same city as the data center, nevermind the same building.
I'd be in favor of speakup in userspace if it meant speakup working with
usb devices and pcie serial cards.
On Wed, 8 Oct 2014, John G. Heim wrote:
Huh? Not having a choice doesn't mean it's not a reduction in access.
That logic makes no sense what so ever. I mean, you could argue that
we are stuck with it but that doesn't mean it won't hurt.
On 10/08/14 16:26, Deedra Waters wrote:
I dont see it as a reduction in access in all i mean i guess there is to
some degree but the reality is that this change in the end reguardless
of wether it comes in systemd or some other form is they're going to end
up moving the console out of the kernel if they do this, well, you wont
have working speech to begin with so how is it a reduction in access if
we have no choice in the matter?
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