Nadav Amit <nadav.amit@xxxxxxxxx> writes:
> Avi Kivity <avi.kivity@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> On 04/09/2015 09:21 PM, Nadav Amit wrote:
>>> Bandan Das <bsd@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nadav Amit <nadav.amit@xxxxxxxxx> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2015-04-08 19:40, Nadav Amit wrote:
>>>>>>> Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2015-04-08 18:59, Nadav Amit wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-04-08 18:40, Nadav Amit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I would appreciate if someone explains the reason for enabling LINT0 during
>>>>>>>>>>> APIC reset. This does not correspond with Intel SDM Figure 10-8: “Local
>>>>>>>>>>> Vector Table” that says all LVT registers are reset to 0x10000.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In kvm_lapic_reset, I see:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> apic_set_reg(apic, APIC_LVT0,
>>>>>>>>>>> SET_APIC_DELIVERY_MODE(0, APIC_MODE_EXTINT));
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Which is actually pretty similar to QEMU’s apic_reset_common:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> if (bsp) {
>>>>>>>>>>> /*
>>>>>>>>>>> * LINT0 delivery mode on CPU #0 is set to ExtInt at initialization
>>>>>>>>>>> * time typically by BIOS, so PIC interrupt can be delivered to the
>>>>>>>>>>> * processor when local APIC is enabled.
>>>>>>>>>>> */
>>>>>>>>>>> s->lvt[APIC_LVT_LINT0] = 0x700;
>>>>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yet, in both cases, I miss the point - if it is typically done by the BIOS,
>>>>>>>>>>> why does QEMU or KVM enable it?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> BTW: KVM seems to run fine without it, and I think setting it causes me
>>>>>>>>>>> problems in certain cases.
>>>>>>>>>> I suspect it has some historic BIOS backgrounds. Already tried to find
>>>>>>>>>> more information in the git logs of both code bases? Or something that
>>>>>>>>>> indicates of SeaBIOS or BochsBIOS once didn't do this initialization?
>>>>>>>>> Thanks. I found no indication of such thing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> QEMU’s commit message (0e21e12bb311c4c1095d0269dc2ef81196ccb60a) says:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Don't route PIC interrupts through the local APIC if the local APIC
>>>>>>>>> config says so. By Ari Kivity.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maybe Avi Kivity knows this guy.
>>>>>>>> ths? That should have been Thiemo Seufer (IIRC), but he just committed
>>>>>>>> the code back then (and is no longer with us, sadly).
>>>>>>> Oh… I am sorry - I didn’t know about that.. (I tried to make an unfunny joke
>>>>>>> about Avi knowing “Ari”).
>>>>>> Ah. No problem. My brain apparently fixed that typo up unnoticed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But if that commit went in without any BIOS changes around it, QEMU
>>>>>>>> simply had to do the job of the latter to keep things working.
>>>>>>> So should I leave it as is? Can I at least disable in KVM during INIT (and
>>>>>>> leave it as is for RESET)?
>>>>>> No, I don't think there is a need to leave this inaccurate for QEMU if
>>>>>> our included BIOS gets it right. I don't know what the backward
>>>>>> bug-compatibility of KVM is, though. Maybe you can identify since when
>>>>>> our BIOS is fine so that we can discuss time frames.
>>>>> I think that it was addressed in commit
>>>>> 19c1a7692bf65fc40e56f93ad00cc3eefaad22a4 ("Initialize the LINT LVTs on the
>>>>> local APIC of the BSP.”) So it should be included in seabios 0.5.0, which
>>>>> means qemu 0.12 - so we are talking about the end of 2009 or start of 2010.
>>>> The probability that someone will use a newer version of kernel with something
>>>> as old as 0.12 is probably minimal. I think it's ok to change it with a comment
>>>> indicating the reason. To be on the safe side, however, a user changeable switch
>>>> is something worth considering.
>>> I don’t see any existing mechanism for KVM to be aware of its user type and
>>> version. I do see another case of KVM hacks that are intended for fixing
>>> very old QEMU bugs (see 3a624e29c75 changes in vmx_set_segment, which are
>>> from pretty much the same time-frame of the issue I try to fix).
>>>
>>> Since this is something which would follow around, please advise what would
>>> be the format. A new ioctl that would supply the userspace “type” (according
>>> to predefined constants) and version?
>>
>> That would be madness. KVM shouldn't even know that qemu exists, let alone
>> track its versions.
>>
>> Simply add a new toggle KVM_USE_STANDARD_LAPIC_LVT_INIT and document that
>> userspace MUST use it. Old userspace won't, and will get the old buggy
>> behavior.
>
> I fully agree it would be madness. Yet it appears to be a recurring problem.
> Here are similar problems found from a short search:
>
> 1. vmx_set_segment setting segment accessed (3a624e29c75)
> 2. svm_set_cr0 clearing CD and NW (709ddebf81c)
> 3. Limited number of MTRRs due to Seabios bus (0d234daf7e0a)
>
> Excluding (1) all of the other issues are related to the VM BIOS. Perhaps
> KVM should somehow realize which VM BIOS runs? (yes, it sounds just as bad.)
How about renaming the toggle Avi mentioned above to something more generic
(KVM_DISABLE_LEGACY_QUIRKS ?) and grouping all the issues together ? Modern userspace
will always enable it and get the new correct behavior. When more cases are discovered,
KVM can just add them to the list.
> Nadav
>
> --
> To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe kvm" in
> the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
--
To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe kvm" in
the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
