On Thu, Nov 07, 2019 at 04:36:25PM -0500, Keith Moore wrote: > On 11/7/19 3:19 PM, Michael Richardson wrote: > > Keith Moore <moore@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > This is where the biggest disconnect between 2026 and reality > > > is. If the reality is that industry is going to deploy > > > implementations at Proposed Standard or sooner (and as far as > > > I can tell, that's been reality for as long as there's been > > > an Internet "industry"), it makes sense for IETF to recognize > > > that and react accordingly. > > > > You are saying this as if it's a bug. > > It's not! It's by design. > > We deploy at PS in order to find out if there is interoperability. > > My first impression is that this is indeed a bug, a tremendous > disservice to Internet users. But I remind myself that automatic > software update is becoming increasingly common. [...] > > Also, PS criteria were specifically not designed for deployment; the > idea was that you need interop testing before deploying. But if > interop testing were incorporated earlier in the process (which does > seem to be more common these days) then the sequencing assumed by 2026 > might be suboptimal. Progressing from PS->DS->Standard requires reporting on interop. Publishing a DS does not. IETF doesn't do anything to facilitate interop testing either. Ah, memories of Sun's old Connectathon events. Maybe IETF could sponsor a similar event. It's essentially a lot like a weeklong hackathon, but where the goal is to have implementors interop test rather implement. Nico --
