> Hi Niels, > As my wife so often tells our kids, "manners cost nothing." Sometimes they do: https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/07/130709-asiana-flight-214-crash-korean-airlines-culture-outliers/ There is a cost to political correctness. Even converations like this one have a cost. Ned > Considering that the RFC series is archival and therefore our words will live for a long time, it's also prudent to be careful with our words. Consider how casual racism and sexism from even twenty years ago is perceived now. > So I think that this should be highlighted on the shepherd's checklist <https://www.ietf.org/iesg/template/doc-writeup-essay-style.html> -- e.g., "Is the terminology used in the draft unnecessarily specific to one culture, or potentially offensive?". > The RFC Editor might also want to make these considerations part of their process, in consultation with the stream managers. > Cheers, > > On 20 Sep 2018, at 5:25 am, Niels ten Oever <lists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > On the hrpc-list [0] there has been an intense conversation which was > > spurred by the news that the Python community removed Master/Slave > > terminology from its programming language [1]. > > > > In the discussion that followed it was remarked that in RFCs terms like > > Master/Slave, blacklist/whitelist, man-in-middle, and other terminology > > that is offensive to some people and groups is quite common. > > > > This is not a discussion that can be resolved in hrpc, but rather should > > be dealt with in the IETF community (because hrpc doesn't make policy > > for terminology in the IETF), which is why I am posting this here. > > > > If people find the discussion worthwhile, we might also be just in time > > to request a BoF on this topic. > > > > Looking forward to discuss. > > > > Best, > > > > Niels > > > > > > [0] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/hrpc/ > > [1] > > https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/8x7akv/masterslave-terminology-was-removed-from-python-programming-language > > > > > > -- > > Niels ten Oever > > Researcher and PhD Candidate > > Datactive Research Group > > University of Amsterdam > > > > PGP fingerprint 2458 0B70 5C4A FD8A 9488 > > 643A 0ED8 3F3A 468A C8B3 > > > -- > Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/
