I'm not in favour of a rigidly enforced single queue, virtual or not. I do support the idea that a remote participant can get in a queue and not be endlessly gazumped by folks who are present. With jabber and channelling that works ok today. We need to find a way to make it work with remote audio input. (I don't think the pacman thing is there yet but am fine with that being played with and improved.) What I do not want however is for chairs to lose the ability to allow two or more folks to discuss a specific point when that's the best way to get something resolved. Insisting that someone has to wait until N other folks have raised different issues is surely a way to dis-improve our face to face interactions. And I don't think the way to handle that is via any kind of UI, fancy or simple, but rather by allowing chairs to do the right thing, whatever that is. (Actually I wish we were much better at getting mic lines to discuss one topic at a time, but that's a different discussion, so I'll not interpose it here:-) S. On 27/07/15 10:17, Simon Pietro Romano wrote: > 100% agreed! > > Simon > >> On 27/lug/2015, at 10:56, Dave Crocker <dhc@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> On 7/27/2015 10:46 AM, Simon Pietro Romano wrote: >>> As I know you know quite well, this can be achieved in a number of ways. >>> We proposed RFID some time ago. We have then moved to alternatives like >>> barcode scanners close to the mics and/or the very simple web interface >>> you find in the page I mentioned. >> >> >> And as I know you know... I would like us (all) to simply use the web >> interface. >> >> The other technologies are fun and clever but have significant usability >> issues, operational issues, and possibly privacy issues. At a minimum, >> they require specialized infrastructure. I also believe that the >> distance between their current usability and their being comfortable for >> production use in the IETF is quite far. >> >> The web interface has drawbacks too, but it is likely to be trivial for >> most of us, most of the time, given that we all heavily use web >> interfaces and nearly all of us have easy online access in meetings.[*] >> >> For those other times, we can provide a few different hacks, such as >> asking a neighbor to enter our name, or maybe even to having a public >> terminal near a microphone, for entering names. >> >> >> d/ >> >> >> [*] Beyond the question of how a name is entered into the queue is the >> question of how the queue is publicly displayed. We will probably find >> that rather than showing the names of everyone in the queue, we should >> show only current name, next name, and a count of the queue size. >> >> -- >> Dave Crocker >> Brandenburg InternetWorking >> bbiw.net >> > > _\\|//_ > ( O-O ) > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~o00~~(_)~~00o~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Simon Pietro Romano > Universita' di Napoli Federico II > Computer Engineering Department > Phone: +39 081 7683823 -- Fax: +39 081 7683816 > e-mail: spromano@xxxxxxxx > > <<Molti mi dicono che lo scoraggiamento è l'alibi degli > idioti. Ci rifletto un istante; e mi scoraggio>>. Magritte. > oooO > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~( )~~~ Oooo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > \ ( ( ) > \_) ) / > (_/ > > > > > > > > ---- > 5x1000 AI GIOVANI RICERCATORI > DELL'UNIVERSITÀ DI NAPOLI > Codice Fiscale: 00876220633 > www.unina.it/Vademecum5permille > >