--On Sunday, July 26, 2015 8:38 AM -0400 Victor Kuarsingh <victor@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > On 2015-07-24 6:23 AM, Adrian Farrel wrote: > > >> A proposal... >> Could Meetecho please just zoom out. > > This seems reasonable. Since many audience members (local) > don't sit in the front of the room anyway, what about camera > positioning which simulates more like being in the audience > (may need to be on the side as to not be obstructed during > discussion time). This wider angle view will then allow for > simultaneous viewing (from afar) of the speaker, chairs and if > we are lucky commenters at mic. > > I think it's nice to see the speaker up close, but monitoring > the overall interaction of the meeting may be more useful. Sigh. I don't know how many of those suggesting things like "zoom out" have actually been participating remotely of late, but I complained to the Meetecho folks at the beginning of the week that the images coming from the cameras were too small, even on a screen much too large to carry around, to be of any real use or even to allow recognizing the speaker (and, easy though it should be, we are still, on average, doing a lousy job of speaker name announcements). Given the size of that image (under roughly 6 cm when Meetecho is maximimzed on a nominal 24 inch screen; lots smaller when it is not maximized or the screen is smaller), it is hard to identify a speaker. Zooming out to the point of "monitoring the overall interaction of the meeting" could make the picture amusing but it would be completely useless for speaker identification, seeing facial expressions, etc. It would be so useless that, IMO, it would be better to save resources, dispense with the cameras, and use the screen real estate for something else -- options I definitely do not recommend because the video of speakers, when it works, _is_ useful. john (as somewhat frustrated remote participant) p.s. Dear Nomcom: I am coming to believe that, if the IETF is going to claim to be serious about remote participation, a criterion for any appointment to the IESG or IAOC, and maybe the IAB, should be having participated remotely at least once in recent years. Eating dogfood and all that but, more important, getting a firsthand sense of what the IETF is like for those who do not attend every meeting with salaries and travel expenses paid and on expense accounts.