have published documents in advance to allow remote participants and newcomers better start to understand the world of IETF.each meeting goes well if it is prepared in advance.
John has raised a good topic.
Regards
Serrhini
Sat, 8 Nov 2014 14:54:56 +0000 от "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" <dromasca@xxxxxxxxx>:
Some tutorials from the past (slides and video for some) are available at https://www.ietf.org/edu/tutorials.html.
I agree with John that it would be good to have the materials posted in advance and have them included also in the proceedings.
Regards,
Dan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ietf [mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John C Klensin
> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2014 3:11 PM
> To: ietf@xxxxxxxx
> Subject: Sunday tutorials, newcomers, and remote participants
>
> Hi.
>
> As others debate things we should do about allowing people to attend IETF
> meetings in the future, I want to note a present issue that has been raised
> before but apparently not addressed in practice.
>
> We've developed a tradition of doing a number of tutorials on Sundays.
> There are "only" four of them tomorrow, but they all seem interesting and at
> least three, maybe all four, are relevant to newcomers -- whether those
> newcomers are local or remote and even whether they are likely to be local
> in future meetings.
>
> Done well, they have the potential to be immensely helpful to people not
> familiar with a particular topic (or the IETF in general). Even a poor job is
> better than nothing. That help is even more important for those who are
> remote because things are harder to understand when one is not in the
> room and because we offer nothing in the way of support, even to the
> extent of little smiley faces on badges.
>
> We've also been told, repeatedly, that, for those not extremely able in
> listening to spoken English, having slides and other materials available in
> advance is extremely helpful, even to the point of making the difference
> between a session that is understood and one that is an incomprehensible
> waste of time.
>
> And yet, as of now, the day before those sessions, there again appears to be
> no arrangements for video or even audio or those sessions. Neither the
> tools agenda nor the meeting materials page indicates any of them as having
> either an outline or slides posted. Nothing. The newcomer's introduction
> itself is given, with small variations, at every meeting. I know the slides from
> previous ones are online. They would at least provide hints, but it isn't
> obvious from any of the meeting pages where to find them.
>
> So, assuming the IETF actually cares about remote attendees and
> newcomers, perhaps even about newcomer remote attendees, why is
> there no video or audio for those Sunday sessions? Why does
> there not seem to be a plan for getting those sessions online so they can be
> viewed between meetings? And why are slides and background materials
> not posted? As a final question, since the Nomcom is presumably starting to
> make decisions this week, who is accountable for the apparent lack of
> progress on this subject despite the fact that it has been pointed out as a
> problem several times before?
>
> Grumble.
> john
С уважением,
mohammed serrhini
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