Some tutorials from the past (slides and video for some) are available at https://www.ietf.org/edu/tutorials.html. I agree with John that it would be good to have the materials posted in advance and have them included also in the proceedings. Regards, Dan > -----Original Message----- > From: ietf [mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John C Klensin > Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2014 3:11 PM > To: ietf@xxxxxxxx > Subject: Sunday tutorials, newcomers, and remote participants > > Hi. > > As others debate things we should do about allowing people to attend IETF > meetings in the future, I want to note a present issue that has been raised > before but apparently not addressed in practice. > > We've developed a tradition of doing a number of tutorials on Sundays. > There are "only" four of them tomorrow, but they all seem interesting and at > least three, maybe all four, are relevant to newcomers -- whether those > newcomers are local or remote and even whether they are likely to be local > in future meetings. > > Done well, they have the potential to be immensely helpful to people not > familiar with a particular topic (or the IETF in general). Even a poor job is > better than nothing. That help is even more important for those who are > remote because things are harder to understand when one is not in the > room and because we offer nothing in the way of support, even to the > extent of little smiley faces on badges. > > We've also been told, repeatedly, that, for those not extremely able in > listening to spoken English, having slides and other materials available in > advance is extremely helpful, even to the point of making the difference > between a session that is understood and one that is an incomprehensible > waste of time. > > And yet, as of now, the day before those sessions, there again appears to be > no arrangements for video or even audio or those sessions. Neither the > tools agenda nor the meeting materials page indicates any of them as having > either an outline or slides posted. Nothing. The newcomer's introduction > itself is given, with small variations, at every meeting. I know the slides from > previous ones are online. They would at least provide hints, but it isn't > obvious from any of the meeting pages where to find them. > > So, assuming the IETF actually cares about remote attendees and > newcomers, perhaps even about newcomer remote attendees, why is > there no video or audio for those Sunday sessions? Why does > there not seem to be a plan for getting those sessions online so they can be > viewed between meetings? And why are slides and background materials > not posted? As a final question, since the Nomcom is presumably starting to > make decisions this week, who is accountable for the apparent lack of > progress on this subject despite the fact that it has been pointed out as a > problem several times before? > > Grumble. > john