the URL is https://www.ietf.org/edu/tutorials.html Regards, Dan > -----Original Message----- > From: ietf [mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Romascanu, Dan > (Dan) > Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2014 4:55 PM > To: John C Klensin; ietf@xxxxxxxx > Subject: RE: Sunday tutorials, newcomers, and remote participants > > Some tutorials from the past (slides and video for some) are available at > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https- > 3A__www.ietf.org_edu_tutorials.html&d=AAIFAg&c=BFpWQw8bsuKpl1SgiZ > H64Q&r=I4dzGxR31OcNXCJfQzvlsiLQfucBXRucPvdrphpBsFA&m=Uk_2lxy4zTj > 47Z1MS9pFVAdPIKlhjaMqGPgRXAp0NHc&s=zyj467y_y9snM8H0eVLM6YqnT > W5tEI20_WVPLBKMK14&e= . > > I agree with John that it would be good to have the materials posted in > advance and have them included also in the proceedings. > > Regards, > > Dan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ietf [mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John C Klensin > > Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2014 3:11 PM > > To: ietf@xxxxxxxx > > Subject: Sunday tutorials, newcomers, and remote participants > > > > Hi. > > > > As others debate things we should do about allowing people to attend > > IETF meetings in the future, I want to note a present issue that has > > been raised before but apparently not addressed in practice. > > > > We've developed a tradition of doing a number of tutorials on Sundays. > > There are "only" four of them tomorrow, but they all seem interesting > > and at least three, maybe all four, are relevant to newcomers -- > > whether those newcomers are local or remote and even whether they are > > likely to be local in future meetings. > > > > Done well, they have the potential to be immensely helpful to people > > not familiar with a particular topic (or the IETF in general). Even a > > poor job is better than nothing. That help is even more important for > > those who are remote because things are harder to understand when one > > is not in the room and because we offer nothing in the way of support, > > even to the extent of little smiley faces on badges. > > > > We've also been told, repeatedly, that, for those not extremely able > > in listening to spoken English, having slides and other materials > > available in advance is extremely helpful, even to the point of making > > the difference between a session that is understood and one that is an > > incomprehensible waste of time. > > > > And yet, as of now, the day before those sessions, there again appears > > to be no arrangements for video or even audio or those sessions. > > Neither the tools agenda nor the meeting materials page indicates any > > of them as having either an outline or slides posted. Nothing. The > > newcomer's introduction itself is given, with small variations, at > > every meeting. I know the slides from previous ones are online. They > > would at least provide hints, but it isn't obvious from any of the meeting > pages where to find them. > > > > So, assuming the IETF actually cares about remote attendees and > > newcomers, perhaps even about newcomer remote attendees, why is > > there no video or audio for those Sunday sessions? Why does > > there not seem to be a plan for getting those sessions online so they > > can be viewed between meetings? And why are slides and background > > materials not posted? As a final question, since the Nomcom is > > presumably starting to make decisions this week, who is accountable > > for the apparent lack of progress on this subject despite the fact > > that it has been pointed out as a problem several times before? > > > > Grumble. > > john