John Thanks for the nudge. I'll look into this today to see what we can get done for tomorrow. Ray > On Nov 8, 2014, at 3:10 AM, John C Klensin <john-ietf@xxxxxxx> wrote: > > Hi. > > As others debate things we should do about allowing people to > attend IETF meetings in the future, I want to note a present > issue that has been raised before but apparently not addressed > in practice. > > We've developed a tradition of doing a number of tutorials on > Sundays. There are "only" four of them tomorrow, but they all > seem interesting and at least three, maybe all four, are > relevant to newcomers -- whether those newcomers are local or > remote and even whether they are likely to be local in future > meetings. > > Done well, they have the potential to be immensely helpful to > people not familiar with a particular topic (or the IETF in > general). Even a poor job is better than nothing. That help is > even more important for those who are remote because things are > harder to understand when one is not in the room and because we > offer nothing in the way of support, even to the extent of > little smiley faces on badges. > > We've also been told, repeatedly, that, for those not extremely > able in listening to spoken English, having slides and other > materials available in advance is extremely helpful, even to the > point of making the difference between a session that is > understood and one that is an incomprehensible waste of time. > > And yet, as of now, the day before those sessions, there again > appears to be no arrangements for video or even audio or those > sessions. Neither the tools agenda nor the meeting materials > page indicates any of them as having either an outline or slides > posted. Nothing. The newcomer's introduction itself is given, > with small variations, at every meeting. I know the slides from > previous ones are online. They would at least provide hints, > but it isn't obvious from any of the meeting pages where to find > them. > > So, assuming the IETF actually cares about remote attendees and > newcomers, perhaps even about newcomer remote attendees, why is > there no video or audio for those Sunday sessions? Why does > there not seem to be a plan for getting those sessions online so > they can be viewed between meetings? And why are slides and > background materials not posted? As a final question, since the > Nomcom is presumably starting to make decisions this week, who > is accountable for the apparent lack of progress on this subject > despite the fact that it has been pointed out as a problem > several times before? > > Grumble. > john >