Hi, I seem to recall the EDU team being told that getting the remote AV setup ready half a day earlier, so that the tutorials could be covered, was significantly difficult/expensive. I'm not saying it couldn't or shouldn't be done. Somehow I doubt it can be done effectively by tomorrow. There are already moves afoot to integrate the tutorials fully into the tracker, which means into the meeting materials page, which means that slides could be uploaded in advance. But I know for a fact that isn't going to happen by tomorrow. Hopefully for IETF 92. btw if you want to bring matters about the tutorials to the attention of the team responsible, the address is edu-discuss@xxxxxxxx. Brian (EDU team member) On 09/11/2014 03:58, Ray Pelletier wrote: > John > > Thanks for the nudge. I'll look into this today to see what we can get done for tomorrow. > > Ray > > >> On Nov 8, 2014, at 3:10 AM, John C Klensin <john-ietf@xxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> Hi. >> >> As others debate things we should do about allowing people to >> attend IETF meetings in the future, I want to note a present >> issue that has been raised before but apparently not addressed >> in practice. >> >> We've developed a tradition of doing a number of tutorials on >> Sundays. There are "only" four of them tomorrow, but they all >> seem interesting and at least three, maybe all four, are >> relevant to newcomers -- whether those newcomers are local or >> remote and even whether they are likely to be local in future >> meetings. >> >> Done well, they have the potential to be immensely helpful to >> people not familiar with a particular topic (or the IETF in >> general). Even a poor job is better than nothing. That help is >> even more important for those who are remote because things are >> harder to understand when one is not in the room and because we >> offer nothing in the way of support, even to the extent of >> little smiley faces on badges. >> >> We've also been told, repeatedly, that, for those not extremely >> able in listening to spoken English, having slides and other >> materials available in advance is extremely helpful, even to the >> point of making the difference between a session that is >> understood and one that is an incomprehensible waste of time. >> >> And yet, as of now, the day before those sessions, there again >> appears to be no arrangements for video or even audio or those >> sessions. Neither the tools agenda nor the meeting materials >> page indicates any of them as having either an outline or slides >> posted. Nothing. The newcomer's introduction itself is given, >> with small variations, at every meeting. I know the slides from >> previous ones are online. They would at least provide hints, >> but it isn't obvious from any of the meeting pages where to find >> them. >> >> So, assuming the IETF actually cares about remote attendees and >> newcomers, perhaps even about newcomer remote attendees, why is >> there no video or audio for those Sunday sessions? Why does >> there not seem to be a plan for getting those sessions online so >> they can be viewed between meetings? And why are slides and >> background materials not posted? As a final question, since the >> Nomcom is presumably starting to make decisions this week, who >> is accountable for the apparent lack of progress on this subject >> despite the fact that it has been pointed out as a problem >> several times before? >> >> Grumble. >> john >> > >