Can you put together some powerpoints on it for the meeting? About five minutes or so? It's looking to be a busy session, though. Not sure we'll have time for questions. Lloyd Wood http://about.me/lloydwood ________________________________________ From: ietf [ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dave Cridland [dave@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: 12 February 2014 08:02 To: Randy Bush Cc: ietf@xxxxxxxx Discussion Subject: Re: calls for discussion Sorry, I've not had a chance to read your mail, but perhaps we could discuss it in the session in London? On 12 Feb 2014 07:37, "Randy Bush" <randy@xxxxxxx<mailto:randy@xxxxxxx>> wrote: >> maybe the result would be slightly improved if chairs did not call >> for presentations at wg meetings, but instead called for items >> needing face to face discussion? > I try but it's an uphill struggle. I'm hoping against hope that one > of the things that comes out of the wg chairs training session on > consensus is a better understanding of why this is such a big deal. we waste immense amounts of time of the literate in a hopeless attempt to insert clue into the lazy or illiterate. just say a hard no to "i want to present draft-..." has your draft been discussed on the mailing list and has shown serious divergence of views such that facetime is really needed? randy