Starting an idea in the meeting privileges only those who are in the room. The work of the IETF is on the mailing lists. You MUST stop using normative language in emails. It carries no weight. Lloyd Wood http://about.me/lloydwood ________________________________________ From: ietf [ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Abdussalam Baryun [abdussalambaryun@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: 12 February 2014 10:16 To: Randy Bush Cc: IETF Disgust Subject: Re: calls for discussion On 2/12/14, Randy Bush <randy@xxxxxxx> wrote: > we waste immense amounts of time of the literate in a hopeless attempt > to insert clue into the lazy or illiterate. The drafts are requested on the lists to be presented and all have same chance to present or object to a presentation, chairs SHOULD only put the request on the list and see priorities and agreements from the WG. > > just say a hard no to "i want to present draft-..." has your draft been > discussed on the mailing list and has shown serious divergence of views > such that facetime is really needed? No, there can be a chance to start discussions in meetings as well. I recommend you object the drafts that you think is a waste of your time and discuss with your WGs, without throwing vegetables. AB