On 2/11/14 9:44 PM, Randy Bush wrote: > maybe the result would be slightly improved if chairs did not call for > presentations at wg meetings, but instead called for items needing face > to face discussion? I try but it's an uphill struggle. I'm hoping against hope that one of the things that comes out of the wg chairs training session on consensus is a better understanding of why this is such a big deal. Melinda