>>>>> "Dave" == Dave CROCKER <dhc@xxxxxxxxxxxx> writes: >> I find the jabber feed to be relatively useless at meetings for >> this purpose as the chairs do not always notice questions. Dave> This goes back to the question of methodology for chairing group activities, Dave> whether f2f or on a mailing list. Dave> In special cases, a group does not need to be (actively) managed (e.g., by a Dave> chair) but normally it does. The rest of the time, active management is Dave> essential, which then leads to the question of methodology. Dave> A small, well-behaved, knowledgeable group, working on a reasonably Dave> well-understood topic, typically needs minimal management. The IETF does Dave> sometimes have such a group, but not often. Dave> Large, well-behaved groups that are motivated to make progress typically need Dave> only basic, textbook process management methods. Dave> Less well-behaved groups needs stricter management. Predictably this is Dave> where we tend to see large differences among chair skillsets. (The challenge Dave> is both being willing to be strict, and the particular methods used for Dave> strictness.) Dave> What is being layed on top of this range, here, is the multi-media challenge Dave> of remote/local participation. As noted, that's a matter of attention to the Dave> fact of this challenge and adjusting. Dave> Simplistically, my own observation is that when chairs put energy into Dave> worrying about including remote participants -- unless the room is Dave> cantankerous -- things go rather better for the remote folk. When the chairs Dave> do no pay ongoing attention to the inclusion of remote folk, then the remote Dave> folk lose. My belief is that a properly done (researched and taught, with some technology to help reinforce the social contract) remote participation process will in fact *help* weaker chairs deal with less well-behaved groups. I'm claiming that not only do remote folks benefit, but local folks benefit too! -- ] He who is tired of Weird Al is tired of life! | firewalls [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works, Ottawa, ON |net architect[ ] mcr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.sandelman.ottawa.on.ca/ |device driver[ Kyoto Plus: watch the video <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzx1ycLXQSE> then sign the petition. _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf