i read the message from ray as an rfp for someone to write the rfp for remote services. aside from being a very amusing bureaucratic layer cake, this would not seem to need a lot of experience with remote access, but rather good ears and a taste for the bureaucracy and discord the ietf has become. randy _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf