On 10/24/2011 2:49 PM, Thomas Nadeau wrote:
I find the jabber feed to be relatively useless at meetings for this purpose as the chairs do not always notice questions.
This goes back to the question of methodology for chairing group activities, whether f2f or on a mailing list.
In special cases, a group does not need to be (actively) managed (e.g., by a chair) but normally it does. The rest of the time, active management is essential, which then leads to the question of methodology.
A small, well-behaved, knowledgeable group, working on a reasonably well-understood topic, typically needs minimal management. The IETF does sometimes have such a group, but not often.
Large, well-behaved groups that are motivated to make progress typically need only basic, textbook process management methods.
Less well-behaved groups needs stricter management. Predictably this is where we tend to see large differences among chair skillsets. (The challenge is both being willing to be strict, and the particular methods used for strictness.)
What is being layed on top of this range, here, is the multi-media challenge of remote/local participation. As noted, that's a matter of attention to the fact of this challenge and adjusting.
Simplistically, my own observation is that when chairs put energy into worrying about including remote participants -- unless the room is cantankerous -- things go rather better for the remote folk. When the chairs do no pay ongoing attention to the inclusion of remote folk, then the remote folk lose.
Tools might help this, but it won't fix it. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf