Let me just point out that the IETF community has expressed a strong preference for: * "One roof" venues, meeting space in HQ hotel or HQ hotel next to convention center. * Cities, not resorts, because the former yields many more accomodation options for those who wish to stay in HQ hotel alternatives. * Sticking to our fixed dates, published up to 5 years in advance. I think you will find that the one-roof solution does indeed lead to fairly expensive HQ properties, this is more or less true all over the world and is currently made much worse by the weak dollar. The fixed date restriction (which is good in my view) also contributes to challenges with venue availability. We been told more than once that "if you do it a week later or earlier..." Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: ole@xxxxxxxxx URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj Skype: organdemo On Wed, 24 Aug 2011, Sam Hartman wrote: > >>>>> "Melinda" == Melinda Shore <melinda.shore@xxxxxxxxx> writes: > > Melinda> On 08/24/2011 07:47 AM, Keith Moore wrote: > >> Maybe they don't realize it, but at that point they're actively > >> working to exclude participation from those not supported by > >> large companies or governments. > > Melinda> It seems to me that this is a very, very important point. > > I'd like to underscore this poin. > I'd like to make two others. > > 1) We don't have to go to any particular location. There has been an > assumption made by people in this discussion that sometimes when we pick > locations with particularly expensive hotels, we'll get particularly > expensive meetings. That's great except that we were the ones who chose > to go to those locations. > If we can't meet our cost targets at a location, go somewhere else. > > 2) If I had to say yes or no in a parliamentary vote of confidence in > the IAOC, today my answer would probably be no. I feel that a lot of > concerns have been raised, and I don't find the responses very > convincing. When I've looked into issues with the IAOC, I haven't found > the visibility necessary to really evaluate things. > That to me is not a good combination. > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf