-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Apr 15, 2011, at 1:19 AM, Leslie Daigle wrote: > > Speaking as an individual, but an individual who helped set up this structure and who sat in the non-delegated ex officio IAB Chair position on the IAOC (and IETF Trust) for a couple of years, let me offer some comments. > > As Bob noted, elsewhere in the thread, your draft does not describe how to delegate responsibilities, it describes how to allow alternatively fill the positions. And I believe that is a fatal flaw. > > The discussion on this thread certainly indicates that there isn't a clear grasp of what the responsibilities are for the positions in question. The responsibilities are not: show up for meetings/telecons, offer opinions about how to administer the IETF, and put in a vote when called upon, although those certainly are the functions expected. > > You described the IAB Chair as "hub" as if that was a bad thing. Certainly not my intention to qualify it as 'bad'. The note was written from the perspective of "what is the work load and what are the tasks". Not from the perspective of what are the responsibilities of the chair. > In fact, the one thing the Chair (of the IAB -- but it applies in analog to the IETF) needs to do is to support the IAB's functioning (through leadership, organization, note-taking, cajoling, listening, etc). That doesn't mean the IAB Chair has to do the work of the whole IAB, but it does mean that an overall perspective is critical, and each Chair has to best organize her/himself to achieve the one task. Agreed, being informed (as 'information hub') seems to be a prerequisite for gaining that overall perspective. > > In setting up the IAOC as it is, the intent was to inject the IAB Chair's overall perspective into the IAOC's discussions, including the support for IAB activities. It was not a question of simply finding more credible people to put on the IAOC. > > If change is needed, the one path away from the fatal flaw seems to be to articulate the actual responsibilities of the IAB Chair (and IETF Chair and ISOC CEO, as appropriate) in the intended ex officio positions, such that it is possible to get agreement and external confirmation that the role is being properly fulfilled by whomever is selected to perform them. Fair enough, and in addition, as a take-away from the thread so far: those responsibilities go two ways: incoming and outgoing. It is not only the general perspective that the iChiefs bring to the IAOC but also what they take out of it. For instance; getting informed about the general state and health of things. I guess I have some homework to do because at the moment I am not able to formulate the responsibility in a way that goes beyond (for the IAB role): providing the IAB perspective into IAOC decisions; and getting informed about IAOC activities that are relevant for the IAB and the activities it oversees. - --Olaf PS: Why does the following phrase come to mind: when in a hole stop digging... ________________________________________________________ Olaf M. Kolkman NLnet Labs http://www.nlnetlabs.nl/ I will start to use a new PGP key (ID 0x3B6AAA64) at the beginning of May 2011. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.17 (Darwin) Comment: This message is locally signed. Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iEYEARECAAYFAk2oCPwACgkQtN/ca3YJIofdBgCgquirmPwR35riQZRzBvkPaoqb tGEAoPkbV6MfxzEaPcp+2/gz9sea5AVr =ncXX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf