On Sep 7, 2010, at 12:42 PM, Joel Jaeggli wrote: > On 9/3/10 3:45 PM, Hascall Sharp wrote: >> >> Yes. The IETF is having too many meetings where physical presence is >> required in order to participate effectively in the work. > We have the same number as when I started attending around ietf 37. It's my sense that it's increasingly difficult to do work in the IETF without being physically present at meetings, as well. The audio streaming has gotten really excellent but that's one-way - there's far less support for Jabber participation (possibly as a result of the great audio), and for providing input from remote locations. There also seems to be a cultural shift and expectations have changed. There was one session at the last meeting in which the chairs asked for volunteers to do work between that meeting and the next one, but only from people who were actually present in the meeting room at the time. It's also more common to take "votes" and then announce the results on mailing lists. It could be that chairs need more training or it could be that there's a broader cultural shift, but my perception, as someone who's both been to a lot of meetings and done a lot of remote participation, is the same as Chip's. (My answer is probably different; I think that if this is the way IETF participants prefer things, it should be institutionalized rather than papered over). Melinda _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf