On 9/7/10 1:55 PM, Melinda Shore wrote: > On Sep 7, 2010, at 12:42 PM, Joel Jaeggli wrote: >> On 9/3/10 3:45 PM, Hascall Sharp wrote: >>> >>> Yes. The IETF is having too many meetings where physical presence is >>> required in order to participate effectively in the work. >> We have the same number as when I started attending around ietf 37. > > It's my sense that it's increasingly difficult to do > work in the IETF without being physically present at > meetings, as well. The audio streaming has gotten > really excellent but that's one-way - there's far less The IAD bought new equipment for japan, net netbooks went a long way towards improving the sound quality over the old imbedded systems kit. > support for Jabber participation (possibly as a result > of the great audio), and for providing input from > remote locations. There also seems to be a cultural > shift and expectations have changed. There was one > session at the last meeting in which the chairs asked > for volunteers to do work between that meeting and > the next one, but only from people who were actually > present in the meeting room at the time. It's also > more common to take "votes" and then announce the > results on mailing lists. As a working group chair with a lot of if not mostly remote particaptions I went out on my way to make sure that those who could not attend had their views represented in opsec. That said, having only run three two hour meetings a year, as I've done that activity, the too many things going on in the cockpit problem is pronounced. Tracking and engaging on the remote side while running the meeting is a lot to do even with to chairs... the webex was a interesting experiment, and It makes the virtual interim more productive but it's a lot to manage while you're doing everything else. > It could be that chairs need more training or it could > be that there's a broader cultural shift, but my > perception, as someone who's both been to a lot of meetings > and done a lot of remote participation, is the same > as Chip's. > (My answer is probably different; I think > that if this is the way IETF participants prefer things, > it should be institutionalized rather than papered over). > > Melinda > _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf