<absolutely no hats> On Sep 7, 2010, at 4:55 PM, Melinda Shore wrote: > On Sep 7, 2010, at 12:42 PM, Joel Jaeggli wrote: >> On 9/3/10 3:45 PM, Hascall Sharp wrote: >>> >>> Yes. The IETF is having too many meetings where physical presence is >>> required in order to participate effectively in the work. >> We have the same number as when I started attending around ietf 37. > > It's my sense that it's increasingly difficult to do > work in the IETF without being physically present at > meetings, as well. When I first started coming to the IETF regularly in 1999, I rapidly concluded that I needed to attent (more or less) every meeting to make much of an impact. That's just my opinion, but it would still be my recommendation. > The audio streaming has gotten > really excellent but that's one-way - there's far less > support for Jabber participation (possibly as a result > of the great audio), and for providing input from > remote locations. There also seems to be a cultural > shift and expectations have changed. There was one > session at the last meeting in which the chairs asked > for volunteers to do work between that meeting and > the next one, but only from people who were actually > present in the meeting room at the time. It's also > more common to take "votes" and then announce the > results on mailing lists. I, at least, have not seen too much of that and, if the chairs try it, in my experience the room or the ADs typically quickly remind them of the correct protocol. Regards Marshall > > It could be that chairs need more training or it could > be that there's a broader cultural shift, but my > perception, as someone who's both been to a lot of meetings > and done a lot of remote participation, is the same > as Chip's. (My answer is probably different; I think > that if this is the way IETF participants prefer things, > it should be institutionalized rather than papered over). > > Melinda > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf