Re: Tourist or business visa from US?

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After you register for the meeting, you have the option to request a letter of invitation. When you follow the link to request one, you are presented with the following text, in red:

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IMPORTANT: If you need a letter of invitation for the purposes of obtaining a visa, you need an official letter from the IETF 79 host, Tsinghua University.
	• Please complete the LOI request form.
• You will automatically, via email, receive the standard IETF letter of invitation (which you may find useful for internal company approval but which will not help you obtain a visa) • In addition, the form output will also go to Tsinghua University, so that the IETF 79 host can generate an official letter of invitation to use in the visa application. The host will contact you separately with your official letter of invitation.
-----

If you've already registered, you can refer to your registration confirmation email for the embedded link that will allow you to request the LOI.

On a separate note, when completing the form for your business visa, you will need to provide contact information for a local 'business contact'. This individual's contact information can be found here: http://www.ietf.org/meeting/79/faq.html#Inviter , which you can get to from either the visa FAQ page (http://www.ietf.org/meeting/79/faq.html ) or the visa information page (http://www.ietf.org/meeting/79/ visa.html).

I think perhaps we provide more information about letters of invitation earlier in the registration process, and I will add some language to that effect. And please feel free to suggest any other way we can improve the information, and the way we are presenting it.

Alexa



On Aug 24, 2010, at 4:01 PM, Ole Jacobsen wrote:


The form requires contact info for your business contact if you are
getting a business visa. Otherwise you can leave it blank.

I will let Alexa answer the other questions.

Ole


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On Tue, 24 Aug 2010, Mary Barnes wrote:

My understanding is that the only difference in paperwork is the letter of invitation. Is there any other additional paperwork that is necessary? I would have thought that letters of invitation would be something the host had anticipated would be needed by the attendees - at least a subset. The
wording on the meeting FAQ is somewhat nebulous as it notes that the
secretariat won't provide the letters and that one is needed from the host, but there's no information on the process to request one. Do we just send
an email to the individual listed as the contact for our visit?

Mary.


On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Ole Jacobsen <ole@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

There is no visa waiver program for China, at least not for any of the
countries relevant to this discussion. You need a visa. Getting a
tourist one is "easier" in the sense that it requires less paperwork
and documentation. For a visit of duration ~ one week or so, there
should be no issues with getting a tourist visa.

Ole


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Cisco Systems
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On Tue, 24 Aug 2010, Mary Barnes wrote:

U.S. customs is the least of my worries in this situation. In the 15
years
that I've been attending these sorts of meetings, I've never needed a
visa
of any sort ahead of time.

Can you please point me to an official website that suggests that there
is a
visa waiver program for us attending the IETF meeting in China?

Mary.

On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Behcet Sarikaya
<behcetsarikaya@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:

I agree with Fred.

Many countries we go to attend IETF meetings would probably require
"business"
visa but we go there as tourists on a visa waiver program. On the way
back
as
far as US customs are concerned the purpose is business but US customs
never
asks why you did not get a business visa.

Regards,

Behcet



----- Original Message ----
From: todd glassey <tglassey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: ietf@xxxxxxxx
Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 12:38:00 PM
Subject: Re: Tourist or business visa from US?

On 8/24/2010 8:24 AM, Fred Baker wrote:
In the many times I have visited China, I have gotten a business
visa
once,
and it was seriously not worth the  effort.

I plan to get a tourist visa.

Except that now the PRC is looking at the purpose of your trip and
that
is to develop intellectual properties so this is not a personal but
specifically a business  trip.

Does Cisco's legal department condone that Fred?

Todd  Glassey

On Aug 24, 2010, at 7:43 AM, Andrew G. Malis  wrote:

Is there a consensus that a tourist visa is sufficient to attend
the
IETF from the US?

Thanks,
Andy
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