Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote: > While I disagree with Jonathan's assertion that we should insert an > entirely useless (for all but NAT) UDP header in front of all new > protocols we design, Well, I'd hardly characterize, "allowing it to work across the public Internet" as a property that is useless. Statements like, "useless for all but NAT" trivialize what the Internet has evolved into. There is NAT everywhere. Lets accept it and design for what the Internet is, and not for the Internet as we wish it would be. You may not like it, but its reality. -Jonathan R. -- Jonathan D. Rosenberg, Ph.D. 499 Thornall St. Cisco Fellow Edison, NJ 08837 Cisco, Voice Technology Group jdrosen@xxxxxxxxx http://www.jdrosen.net PHONE: (408) 902-3084 http://www.cisco.com _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf