On 27 Jul 2023, at 21:04, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > On 28-Jul-23 10:52, Dean Bogdanovic wrote: > ... >> >> Based on my limited knowledge, many academics write grants proposals that they use to fund their research and participate in conferences. > > Yes, *conferences*. The IETF is not a conference. For most academics, these days, a requirement for travel approval is an accepted peer-reviewed paper that will be published in a respectable set of proceedings (typically an IEEE or ACM sponsored conference, for our community). Even that isn't guaranteed, since you now also have to explain why you aren't participating on-line instead. And these days, a poster in the poster session probably won't suffice except for short travel distances. With tongue in cheek So, IETF is not considered a conference for academics, as you can’t get grants for it. And some academics are saying, we want to participate in IETF, but we need community to sponsor us? > The academics who attend the IETF have navigated a way through this thicket, but they are the exceptions. I’m well aware of them and their work. My kudos to those folks. Dean > >> >>>> >>>> Let’s be clear: IETF in 5* hotels around the World favours the few. Not >>>> the many. >> >> For the past 20 years (with few exceptions), the IETF was at 4 star hotels and IETF secretariat is doing best to get good pricing. If you don’t like the price, find a near by place to stay. I never stay at the IETF hotel. I choose my own accommodation according to my own preferences. >> And for the hotel selection, it is the ones which have conference capabilities. And I don’t know any 3* hotels that have conference hosting capabilities. > > That's right. The key is the conference centre. Even when the IETF manages to fit into an independent conference centre, there's often a tie-in with anchor hotels, and they aren't cheap ones. That's just the way the conference industry works. > >> I also know many people who’s IETF participation and work is self funded and are not part of big corporations And are major contributors. > > And I think there's never been an IETF in recent memory where there weren't budget hotels nearby. If the local host can also arrange nearby student-hostel style rooms, that's a good idea, of course. > > Regards > Brian Carpenter
