On 27 Jul 2023, at 13:20, Behcet Sarikaya wrote: > On Thu, Jul 27, 2023 at 10:15 AM Marie-Jose Montpetit <marie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > >> I will pitch in. >> >> I think that chairs by default should be given free registration. We spend >> countless hours on IETF/IRTF issues. >> >> But that’s the tip of iceberg. >> >> Getting there and living there - OMG. Of course deep pocket companies pay. >> But the consequence is: are representing our own? Not my experience - most >> people are representing the interest of their employer and a paid to be >> there. >> >> So what about the outliers? Maybe the travel grants should make sure we >> get a good representation of non-corporate views because many meetings >> happen in person. Based on my limited knowledge, many academics write grants proposals that they use to fund their research and participate in conferences. >> >> Let’s be clear: IETF in 5* hotels around the World favours the few. Not >> the many. For the past 20 years (with few exceptions), the IETF was at 4 star hotels and IETF secretariat is doing best to get good pricing. If you don’t like the price, find a near by place to stay. I never stay at the IETF hotel. I choose my own accommodation according to my own preferences. And for the hotel selection, it is the ones which have conference capabilities. And I don’t know any 3* hotels that have conference hosting capabilities. I also know many people who’s IETF participation and work is self funded and are not part of big corporations And are major contributors. Dean >> >> > +1 to Marie-Jose > > Behcet > >> mjm >> >> Marie-José Montpetit, Ing. Ph.D. >> marie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> >> >> >> From: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@xxxxxxxxxxxx> <mcr+ietf@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Reply: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@xxxxxxxxxxxx> <mcr+ietf@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Date: July 27, 2023 at 1:02:22 PM >> To: Salz, Rich <rsalz=40akamai.com@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> <rsalz=40akamai.com@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Cc: ietf@xxxxxxxx <ietf@xxxxxxxx> <ietf@xxxxxxxx>, 117attendees@xxxxxxxx >> <117attendees@xxxxxxxx> <117attendees@xxxxxxxx> >> Subject: Re: Making meeting attendance more affordable >> >> >> Salz, Rich <rsalz=40akamai.com@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> Discounted registration for a first-time attendee. Perhaps in >> >> My (running) hash charges for first-time attendees, but it's free for the >> second time. This is to encourage people to return. >> >>> Make one of the meetings decentralized. Held simultaneously in multiple >>> places around the globe. Getting the logistics and timezones equitable >>> will be hard, but it would also greatly reduce our CO2 usage. >> >> manycouches started this discussion, and a conclusion was that we should >> add >> a fourth meeting that was fully-online, and then maybe we can step down >> the >> three. >> >> -- >> Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@xxxxxxxxxxxx> . o O ( IPv6 IøT consulting ) >> Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide >> >> >> >> >> > -- > 117attendees mailing list > 117attendees@xxxxxxxx > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/117attendees
