Jay, Recognizing the complex tradeoffs involved with too-dense pages with too much information, just a question or two about the statistics you give: --On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 12:21 +0000 Jay Daley <exec-director@xxxxxxxx> wrote: >> On 1 Mar 2023, at 07:39, Keith Moore >> <moore@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >>> Did I miss it, or is >>> there no fee waiver available for Yokohama? >... > We currently stand at 154 fee waivers requested and 101 of > those used from a current total of 303 remote registrations. > From those figures, it doesn't appear as if we have an issue > with people finding out about fee waivers. First question (the important one): How many of those are for first-time attendees, i.e., people who have never registered for an IETF meeting before, either onsite or remote? Explanation: Keith may disagree, but I think we should be far more concerned about someone who has never participated before and hence may not know that there have been fee waivers in the past than I am about regular participants who do have that knowledge. Using Keith's experience as an example for the latter group, the system appears to be working: Keith knew enough to ask on this list and got an answer from the community in under 20 minutes. He is not a perfect example-- he is a very long-term participant with a history of speaking up-- but I trust the distinction from someone who might reasonably not know how to ask is clear and the statistic I'm asking about would provide a rough approximation to the size of the latter group or at least the fraction of that group who have figured out how to find information or work the system (the fraction who haven't and hence decided to either pay up or not attend would be even more interesting but probably impossible to capture). Second question (probably less important): I think I know what "used" means in your report above, i.e., fee waivers actually granted. If that is correct, what does "requested" mean? Given other discussions, presumably it does not mean that, of those requested, 53 requests were turned down. Does it mean "support is available for up to 154 waivers and 53 are still available"? Something else? > The reason I'm saying this and not simply agreeing to add > that text is because we already have so much text in so many > places that it's a problem and we need to move in the other > direction of simplifying things not adding more. At the risk of making this note too long, a micro-suggestion about complete newcomers and simplifying that page: Consider putting, at the top of the page and maybe as part of the "Choose one..." block, something like "if you are a first-time registrant, click here for information longer-term participants will already know". That could lead to a page (perhaps an updated existing one) with somewhat more explanation about, e.g., fee waivers, why Datatracker accounts are required even for those with privacy concerns, that the registration process will require agreement to additional policies, who to contact for help if one is hopelessly confused, and perhaps even an FAQ into which you could move some of the material from the registration page (although, having read through it just now, I don't have good candidates). thanks, john
