On 10/2/22 15:08, Rob Sayre wrote:
Ofer Inbar wrote the best way to look at toxicity I've seen recently:
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/ZTiUvG9fOIR8o-LeaBGW0xYee9c/
<https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/ZTiUvG9fOIR8o-LeaBGW0xYee9c/>
It occurs to me that perhaps people's experiences with other online
discussion fora in the past 20 years or so have conditioned or changed
people's expectations of behavior on IETF mailing lists. People are who
are burned out from toxicity in other fora may now be much less tolerant
of varying opinions on IETF lists than we once were. But we still need
that tolerance to function.
Maybe IETF participants really do need some reassurance that truly toxic
behavior will be curtailed so that can feel like continued participation
won't be overly burdensome on them. But so far there's been a general
reluctance to define what the bounds are with any useful degree of
precision.
On a typical social media platform, censoring an individual, even
somewhat arbitrarily, might be seen to have a minor effect. In IETF,
it means loss of legitimacy of the organization.
Keith
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