On 8/24/22 10:50, Tim Bray wrote:
Yep. My time is limited and ietf@ is no longer a good use of it. The evidence is strongly against the hypothesis that it’s OK to be rude and unprofessional at work.
See, I come to a very similar conclusion - my time is limited and ietf@ is no longer a productive use of it. (Though I'm still trying to save it because I think there's something here worth saving and no likely replacement in sight.)
But the reason that I think that IETF is not a good use of my
time isn't that "unprofessional" or "rude" people have been
getting in the way of progress. It's that too many people seem
to feel entitled to suppress the inputs of those with whom they
disagree, using any excuse whatsoever other than a technical
argument, or maybe no excuse at all, or any means at their
disposal. If they can discredit someone as being "rude" or
"unprofessional", or "naive", or belittle or discredit them in any
way, they'll do that. They'll do anything except argue the
issues on technical merits.
And that's the reason I started calling out people's demands for
"professional" behavior, because I'd seen too many occasions when
that demand was used as an excuse to distract from technical
discussion rather than contribute to it.
And the organization treats those people as if they're entirely
legitimate, even promoting some of them to positions of
leadership. There's nothing "civil" about their behavior at all.
Keith
