On 24.08.22 11:19, Keith Moore wrote:
On 8/23/22 19:32, Jess Porter wrote:just going to try to condense this for clarity:it doesn't look like they disagreed with what Masataka said, just how theysaid itIMO, constructive disagreement would have been far better than calling out someone (as a warning to others?) for violating a hopelessly vague rule about "uncivil" speech.
Whereas I am tired of people complaining about moderators when what they should be complaining about inappropriate ad hominems.
I miss the days when IETF was often capable of having constructive technical discussions, even when some participants' frustration was evident, without the need for moderators or Tone Police.
As it happens, I went back in history the last time we had this debate and found that indeed culturally we as a community have been poorly behaved all along. But it's never to late to improve, I say. And some still have to start that journey, and so we have moderators.
As best as I can recall, some people were really good at responding constructively to less-than-perfect input, and this practice had the effect of making the community more inclusive rather than less. That's a skill we (as a community) would do well to cultivate.In that same review, I didn't find a single case where inappropriate comments (including some of my own) ever led to constructive results. I may have missed something, so feel free to find a counter-example.
Eliot
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