--On Thursday, October 21, 2021 23:07 +0200 Carsten Bormann <cabo@xxxxxxx> wrote: > On 2021-10-21, at 22:43, Barry Leiba > <barryleiba=40computer.org@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> At the very least, we should be able to slow down the "ADs >> move to the IAB" routine, as it's pretty hard to justify that >> deviation. > > Hmm, I'm not even sure I find that particular maneuver to be > such a big problem. Clearly, the implicit incumbent bonus > needs to be controlled here (and there should not be a > standard revolving door), but I've seen some ex-ADs make > great IAB members. I think. Carsten, You have seen it. I have seen it. However, I have also seen ex-ADs who have made the move without a gap immediately retire in place, take a while to understand how the IAB is different from the IESG, or focus on a single topic and become largely useless for ongoing IAB work. Whether one like the rigid rule or not (I don't), I think the question about IESG-> IAB transitions is whether the people who have made them -- even those who have worked out well-- would have benefited from a short break and forced (?) opportunity to participate as a non-leadership community member. FWIW, as one of those who was moved directly from the IESG to the IAB, I almost certainly would have. And, in any event, I see both Rich's and Barry's proposals (and the effect of the one I posted today) as more "take a break" than "you are retired" and I think that distinction is important. john