The "box" is the SHMOO charter. It was explicitly chartered with putting off any planning for any long-term (over 5 years) inability to hold useful face-to-face meetings. recharter -- https://LarryMasinter.net https://interlisp.org > -----Original Message----- > From: ietf <ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of S Moonesamy > Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 3:18 PM > To: Toerless Eckert <tte@xxxxxxxxx>; ietf@xxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: Think outside the box - Re: Want to be on the IESG? > > Hi Toreless, > At 07:54 AM 13-10-2021, Toerless Eckert wrote: > >Let me give just two examples: > > > >manycouches had many couch potatoes arguing for many many years to > have > >at least one virtual-only IETF per year, even if just as an experiment. > >I do not remember a single AD thinking outside of a box to push for > >such an experiment. It took covid. > > The message at > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/manycouches/pUzNqQtV6HfzuS5YRw > 7cVAlvINM/ > is from 2016. The discussion predates the current pandemic. > > >A good amount of work, especially design teams became a lot more open > >in reaction to USA EAR politics. > > I haven't looked into that. > > Do mean that Area Directors are unable to consider a perspective which is > contrary to IETF dogma? > > Regards, > S. Moonesamy
