On 4/16/21 8:03 PM, John C Klensin wrote:
But Randy's other point is, IMO, important too. Suppose we could adopt a rule that forbade snarling at people until after they had participated in the IETF for a few years and magically changed the culture so that everyone observed it, at the same time declaring open season on people with longer participation records or at least a couple of RFCs behind them. Whether because of what Randy describes as having a shred of empathy or because of the sense that they are likely to be treated obnoxiously and aggressively about the time they were ready to make significant contributions, people would still go away after watching others be mistreated, abused, or dismissed.
I don't know how you enforce such a thing because who knows whether somebody is new to IETF or just new to a particular working group? Frankly there ought not be such a distinction, as it is intimately related to the "security researcher" problem discussed previously. The problem is that too often working groups become fiefdoms and accrue self-coronated manner lords while the chairs sit idly by, or worse enable them. It is extremely off putting for chairs to shut down questions as off topic or members jumping down your throat for questions that cannot reasonably be answered any other way. Who needs that kind of grief? Especially when you're not getting paid to take it.
Mike
