Actually I’d like to suggest something different before anyone else responds, and that is to put this thread and the other related threads to the side for now. We had a productive if short discussion of draft-knodel-terminology-03 in the GENDISPATCH session last week. The authors have some action items, and there is likely to be further discussion of this topic at a future GENDISPATCH interim. As I said at the mic during the session, email discussion on this topic does not seem to be helping the discussion progress. Let’s give it a rest and those interested in the topic can reconvene when the GENDISPATCH interim gets scheduled. Alissa > On Aug 7, 2020, at 4:48 PM, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Viktor, > > On 08-Aug-20 07:07, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: > .... >> So the proposed reforms are not an >> objective net good. >> >> The proposed cultural revolution... > > I have no idea what you are referring to. All I have seen is an IESG statement including the words: > >>> The IESG looks forward to hearing more from the community, engaging in >>> those discussions, and helping to develop a framework for handling this >>> issue going forward. > > Please explain how that amounts to "proposed reforms" or "proposed cultural revolution". > > Regards > Brian >