Hi Dan, Victor,
At 11:43 AM 07-08-2020, Dan Harkins wrote:
 Oh please, spare me the [removed] privilege schtick. We both know
what we are talking about and that is the discussion on
draft-knodel-terminology and whether ON THAT TOPIC you are in the
"in crowd" or the "out crowd".
You know what else is privileged? Company affiliation! I noticed my
opinion at IETF was discounted considerably when I left Cisco for a
start-up. Not part of the influential crowd anymore. So I'm keenly
aware of privilege at the IETF, don't worry about that.
The discussion (please see topic) in another
venue, which is unrelated to the IETF, turned
into a United Stated v/s rest of the world
arguments. I didn't understand why you took a
strong position until I read your latest
messages. For what it worth, I understood some
of the arguments in your review, e.g. the $64
required to access the first two references.
3. You keep demanding evidence, even after
several people have agreed there is a problem
here. There's a word for this style of debate:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning
Oh, so several people agreeing closes off discussion, no evidence needed,
just a "I'm standing up for the little guy".
I guess those several people are in the "in crowd", the privileged ones.
They are so privileged they merely need to refer to their existence to
squelch debate. Impressive!
It was customary to close a discussion or ignore
a question when someone asked something which was
inconvenient, e.g. a modicum of data, evidence,
etc. I came across that for 7704. There is more
than one problem in the thread. I would not bother to locate them.
At 10:15 AM 07-08-2020, Viktor Dukhovni wrote:
This thread was not here until recently, and yet throngs of newcomers
were not then clamoring to join the IETF then, who are now staying away
(for reasons other than COVID-19 restrictions). The discussion has
actually been mostly tame, at worst at times somewhat pedantic, with a
bit of sophistry here and there, but likely even mellower than on some
of the more contentious technical issues.
There isn't any evidence that newcomers stayed
away because of this thread. At the same time,
it is unlikely that someone new to mailing lists
would post a message on the thread.
Regards,
S. Moonesamy
