The question about consensus is a very complex one. This consultation is clearly not a substitute for a community consensus process but then it’s not trying to establish a community consensus, it’s trying to find out what the community thinks and what changes need to be made to make it a better fit with community expectations. Some very significant changes have been made to the draft as a result of the feedback received so far. The pertinent difference here between a consultation and the community consensus process is that those that will accept that result are no longer actively engaged, whereas they remain so in a consensus process until the outcome and so outliers can be judged as such and rough consensus declared. With a consultation we need to ask "do we have to address every issue raised to the satisfaction of the person who raised it?" My answer is, ideally yes but sometimes no we don’t - there are boundaries and I think it is both transparent and honest to state when those are reached. The LLC board is the ultimate decider on this not me but I choose what I propose to them. I will note that you and Stephen disagree and they will decide what to do with that information. Jay -- Jay Daley |