> the IETF will demonstrate to you that it has rules
that it will enforce. That is, for the record, not a prediction
as to when or how, nor (at least at this time) a request.
Anyone can make rules, it is basics, but does these rules protect rights, does those rules are enforced on everyone, does these rules has ethics, if yes, then it should be explained clearly and signed by each new participant, but don't tell me an ID must follow
this formula and once i do, someone steals the contents and you tell me you agreed, i didn't sign an agreement, maybe i didn't read all BCPs, but from what i experienced, no protection for authors at all.
If someone can use the content, then use it, many are supporting you :D even it is not right.
Look i think we shouldn't spend all this time in this discussion, anyone will find his work is stolen, will not accept it, and i think many are understanding, so no need to enter an infinite loop because some don't want to understand that human rights are not
rules only, it is actions to take to achieve these rights.
Khaled Omar
From: ietf <ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx> on behalf of Michael StJohns <mstjohns@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, May 1, 2020 6:04:05 PM
To: ietf@xxxxxxxx <ietf@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Protecting Copyright.
Sent: Friday, May 1, 2020 6:04:05 PM
To: ietf@xxxxxxxx <ietf@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Protecting Copyright.
On 5/1/2020 12:01 PM, John C Klensin wrote:
>
> --On Friday, May 1, 2020 14:34 +0000 Khaled Omar
> <eng.khaled.omar@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>>> Given that you stubbornly refuse to read the rules and
>>> copyright, despite the efforts of many people here to
>>> encourage you, that is best.
>> Sorry, but I don't care about the written rules, I care
>> about the applied and enforced rules, I think there is a clear
>> example now about the rules, and the applied rules.
> Khaled,
>
> If you don't care about the written rules, then don't agree to
> them. You make that agreement each time you post a draft that
> explicitly contains the required Copyright section. Indeed, you
> consented to those rules for any posting you make when you
> joined this mailing list or join any other IETF mailing list.
>
> Now, if you intend your statement above to mean that,
> independent of your apparent consent to those written rules, you
> are going to continue to ignore them, formulate your own
> interpretation of them, and then complain that your desired
> interpretation is not accepted by others, I assume that, sooner
> or later, the IETF will demonstrate to you that it has rules
> that it will enforce. That is, for the record, not a prediction
> as to when or how, nor (at least at this time) a request.
>
> regards,
> john
>
Well said!
>
> --On Friday, May 1, 2020 14:34 +0000 Khaled Omar
> <eng.khaled.omar@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>>> Given that you stubbornly refuse to read the rules and
>>> copyright, despite the efforts of many people here to
>>> encourage you, that is best.
>> Sorry, but I don't care about the written rules, I care
>> about the applied and enforced rules, I think there is a clear
>> example now about the rules, and the applied rules.
> Khaled,
>
> If you don't care about the written rules, then don't agree to
> them. You make that agreement each time you post a draft that
> explicitly contains the required Copyright section. Indeed, you
> consented to those rules for any posting you make when you
> joined this mailing list or join any other IETF mailing list.
>
> Now, if you intend your statement above to mean that,
> independent of your apparent consent to those written rules, you
> are going to continue to ignore them, formulate your own
> interpretation of them, and then complain that your desired
> interpretation is not accepted by others, I assume that, sooner
> or later, the IETF will demonstrate to you that it has rules
> that it will enforce. That is, for the record, not a prediction
> as to when or how, nor (at least at this time) a request.
>
> regards,
> john
>
Well said!
