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Hi,

Archie Cobbs wrote:

> Brian Jones wrote:
>
>> I'm not following Harmony too closely (so let me talk out my ... a 
>> moment) but let me see if I understand it so far.  Harmony is:
>>
>> 1) Writing their own class libraries  (based on email about japi 
>> comparisons)
>> 2) Writing their own JVM (which I think is based in some part on one 
>> of the current JVMs, but ok, sure, everyone seems to write one 
>> eventually)
>> 3) Writing their own test suite (because Mauve doesn't use junit and 
>> has a different license, but I think that's going to be fixed)
>
>
> Here's a little bit more information re #2. I've

Who?

> donated an interpreter-only
> version of JCVM to Harmony (called "JC Harmony Edition") under the Apache
> license. Whether they'll end up using it or not, who knows.
>
> IBM has donated a class library (called, unfortunately, "classlib").
> There is an effort underway to "port" that class library to JCHEVM,
> using the existing (Classapath-defined) Java/VM API. This effort has
> seen some initial success. So in theory, if all goes well, any 
> combination
> of ("classlib" or Classpath) and (any VM that works with Classpath) will
> run. This would be great if it can be achieved.


Does this library have (ie is in a perfect state) all the security and 
signing stuff that classpath lacks right now? How about the security audit?

That would be so nice. and then if they have compatible licenses...we 
can very soon finish the webplugin...

>
> As for all the license stuff, I don't understand it all and don't care
> strongly enough to follow the debate. I do think it's a real irony that
> "free" software can't be packaged with other "free" software.

keep talking...

> I don't
> in general like the idea of two "competing" class libraries nor two
> "competing" test frameworks (the latter being especially stupid).

yes, that's it!

>
> So #1 is not really true: they're not writing new stuff, they've just
> accepted a pre-existing donation. They believe they can't just use
> Classpath for license reasons (this part I don't fully understand).
>
> Re #3 I've not been following it.


I know you can do better!

>
> -Archie


Archie, I never read any of your comics as a kid, but you sure are my 
hero :-) (I hope this works outside Canada...)




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