On Fri, 2011-03-18 at 15:14 +0000, "JÃhann B. GuÃmundsson" wrote: > On 03/18/2011 02:27 PM, James Laska wrote: > >> I disagree with this. A lot of what we want tested needs a graphical desktop. > >> > If we were to ship an Alpha without a working desktop, we wouldn't get much > >> > feedback (other than that the desktop doesn't work). > That's mostly cause we are working on outdated thoughts and dreams of > the project which the project and the community has outgrown long time > ago by shipping an "Default" in any shape or form .( From my perspective ) As James said, that's considerably beyond the scope of both this thread and this group. It's not QA's job to define the vision of the project, it's our job to validate the release process and the released products that we *do* have. If you want to change those things, the way to do it is not through the release criteria. This also applies to the question of which spins block the release. That's not something that is defined in the criteria, or that should be. It's an issue for the Board and the Spins SIG, which have been discussing it lately, including at FUDCon. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- test mailing list test@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test