Hey, all. I'm currently poking at the release criteria to try and address a few issues that have come up during blocker meetings. I have drafts of revised versions of all three pages up: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Adamwill/Draft_Alpha_criteria_revision https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Adamwill/Draft_Beta_criteria_revision https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Adamwill/Draft_Final_criteria_revision The biggest change is to add this paragraph to the preamble of all three pages: "There may be times where a requirement is unmet only in a particular configuration, such as with some keyboard layouts but not others, or if a particular character is used in a username, password or passphrase. In such cases, the release team should use their judgment and refer to precedent to determine whether or not the issue should be considered to block the release. They should consider the number of users likely to be affected by the issue, the severity of the case when the issue is encountered, and the ease or otherwise with which the issue can be avoided by both informed and uninformed users. " This is the best approach I could come up with for dealing with the various cases that have come up where login or encrypted partitions or something is broken with certain keymaps or characters; it didn't seem to quite work to add a specific criterion for 'all non-US keymaps' or something, it seems rather better to address it as a general principle. Comments on this approach welcome! The other changes: Alpha: Actually account for firstboot, which we completely ignored until now. The criterion about 'booting to a working desktop' was split into two and now covers firstboot. I also explicitly called out encryption here, and tweaked the language about 'user intervention' to 'unintended user intervention'. Beta: Significantly, add a criterion requiring that install methods supposed to be unattended must actually run unattended: they shouldn't prompt for anything. Aside from that, same change as for Alpha regarding 'user intervention', tweak the criterion regarding panel elements to also disallow them being completely non-functional (this lines up better with the actual test), and add a (if any) disclaimer to the bit about options for shutting down and restarting the system (since Shell doesn't have all of those). Final: tweak the Applications stuff a bit for shell, and clarify #12 a little. Improve the wording of #14 slightly. Can everyone let me know what they think of these changes? Thanks! There may be a few more coming later as I go through the blocker meeting logs. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- test mailing list test@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test