On Tue, 2012-09-25 at 23:01 -0400, Richard Ryniker wrote: > Maybe someone with more fortitude (intellectual honesty? discipline?) > than I will kill upgrade, and make the world a better place. Or at least > document that "upgrade" is offered only on a "good effort" basis, with no > guarantee or support. That's more or less my take on it, and why I'd like to use the word 'recommended' rather than 'supported'. I agree that it's very difficult to convincingly suggest that upgrades are in any reasonable definition 'supported'. (As a sidebar, it's worth noting that major version upgrades are unsupported for RHEL, and Microsoft rarely offers true 'upgrades' between Windows builds any more, and I think never recommended them for enterprise use: vastly better funded and more conservative operating system projects than Fedora nevertheless have the same problems. It all rather indicates to me that 'supporting' major version upgrades of operating systems is rather close to being an impossibility.) To bring this back to practicalities: I'd say this discussion represents a rather strong consensus that we don't see much value in *strengthening* the release criteria and validation testing as concerns upgrades. We are left with the option of preserving the existing status quo, wherein we effectively guarantee that precisely two fairly artificial cases will work, or of simply dropping the release criterion relating to upgrading and demoting the test cases to 'optional' status. I can kind of see arguments both ways; on the one hand, the burden of testing upgrades to the strictly limited extent we currently do is not a terribly harsh one, and it at least gives us some confidence that the basic upgrade mechanism is not irretrievably broken. On the other hand, the practical benefits of the testing are fairly marginal: that 'we know it's not completely impossible' is pretty much all we get out of it. Any more thoughts down that road? -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net -- test mailing list test@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
