On Mon, 2007-05-28 at 11:47 +0200, Axel Thimm wrote: > On Mon, May 28, 2007 at 10:15:01AM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > > On Mon, 2007-05-28 at 09:44 +0200, Patrice Dumas wrote: > > > On Mon, May 28, 2007 at 09:34:20AM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > > > > > > > > They use Linux/Unix because "somebody told them so", they program in > > > > Fortran, Cobol, Algol or Modula, because "somebody told them so", they > > > > do something "this way" because they don't know better and don't "want > > > > to know better". > > > > > > That's a bit of oversimplification. > > I've worked in such an environment for many years, I know what I am > > talking about. > > > > An anecdote: I once met an EE-professor, who, when being asked why they > > were using Fortran answered: "Because our simulations are based on the > > Fortran punch cards I wrote during my PhD thesis 25 years ago". > > Consequently, his students and employees were programming Fortran. > > > > > In general scientists do coding > > > just fine but don't want to do more nor even think about it (no > > > packaging, no thoughts on system administration...). > > Well, in 90% of all such cases, "their coding" goes into implementing > > complex algorithms, while their programs complexity is not much > > different from "hello world". > > This sounds quite arrogant. Feel free to think what you want - These number cruncher guys apps condense down to a READ STDIN CALL ALGORITHM PRINT STDOUT Their typical usage: ./myapp < inputdata >output ... wait <couple of days> ... lpr output > > > However there > > > are IT people working together with scientists who do system > > > administration well. > > > > > Still the needs are specific and very different from other environments. > > I can not disagree more. > > > > These guys relation to programming / sys-administration is not much > > different from that of a 14-year old kid, whose IT skills are "browsing > > the web, running games, playing mp3s and using word processors", when it > > had a course in "programming in C" at school, and then starts to > > discover the subtleties of programming afterwards. > > And in their spare time they invented the web including the first > implementation of web servers and clients. May-be some of them ... The others were busy keeping their machines hot. Ralf -- Fedora-packaging mailing list Fedora-packaging@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-packaging
