On Mon, 2007-05-28 at 09:44 +0200, Patrice Dumas wrote: > On Mon, May 28, 2007 at 09:34:20AM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > > > > They use Linux/Unix because "somebody told them so", they program in > > Fortran, Cobol, Algol or Modula, because "somebody told them so", they > > do something "this way" because they don't know better and don't "want > > to know better". > > That's a bit of oversimplification. I've worked in such an environment for many years, I know what I am talking about. An anecdote: I once met an EE-professor, who, when being asked why they were using Fortran answered: "Because our simulations are based on the Fortran punch cards I wrote during my PhD thesis 25 years ago". Consequently, his students and employees were programming Fortran. > In general scientists do coding > just fine but don't want to do more nor even think about it (no > packaging, no thoughts on system administration...). Well, in 90% of all such cases, "their coding" goes into implementing complex algorithms, while their programs complexity is not much different from "hello world". > However there > are IT people working together with scientists who do system > administration well. > Still the needs are specific and very different from other environments. I can not disagree more. These guys relation to programming / sys-administration is not much different from that of a 14-year old kid, whose IT skills are "browsing the web, running games, playing mp3s and using word processors", when it had a course in "programming in C" at school, and then starts to discover the subtleties of programming afterwards. Ralf -- Fedora-packaging mailing list Fedora-packaging@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-packaging