Re: Java update notices on Fedora 41

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> Am 13.02.2025 um 12:05 schrieb Jiri Vanek <jvanek@xxxxxxxxxx>:
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> On 2/13/25 11:50 AM, Mario Torre wrote:
>> On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 11:40 AM Peter Boy Uni <pboy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>>>> Am 13.02.2025 um 10:25 schrieb Jiri Vanek <jvanek@xxxxxxxxxx>:
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>>> If my brain's built-in translator is working correctly, does this mean you're withdrawing your announcement and deprecation? I'd very very much welcome that!
>> No.
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> Indeed. In f42 all older jdks 17-8 will be gone. Until EOL of f41, I will do my best to keep it alive. If you will move to Temurins in meantime (the repository is already available) better for everybody I think.

I guess, that’s really a bad decision. 

Currently, Jakarta EE 10 - a core part of the Java universe – is the current release (unless I missed the final EE 11 release announcement) and is specified for Java SE 11 & 17. And we are going to remove just these versions in F42?  

And Wildfly – part of our own software family – says "You need Java (at least version 11, and preferably 17) and Maven installed on your machine …“ [1] (Link  prominently on the landing page). And we are going to remove just these versions in F42?

That seems pretty crazy to me.  

And wouldn't it perhaps make sense to ask our users beforehand or at least analyze the downloads to see what the actual demand is? 

And no, Temurin is not a solution for Fedora, because by policy we only accept Fedora-built packages for distribution or system installations. For this to be a solution, we would have to find with FESCO a similar solution for Eclipse Foundation as we have for flatpaks for Workstation. (Such a solution would be progress in more ways than one.)
 
As chaotic as we currently handle it, it's not surprising that I keep coming across admins who leave RHEL / Fedora Server for Debian / Ubuntu. What a pitty.



[1] https://www.wildfly.org/get-started/

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