On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 1:23 PM Peter Boy Uni <pboy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > Am 13.02.2025 um 12:05 schrieb Jiri Vanek <jvanek@xxxxxxxxxx>: > > > > > > > > On 2/13/25 11:50 AM, Mario Torre wrote: > >> On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 11:40 AM Peter Boy Uni <pboy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> Am 13.02.2025 um 10:25 schrieb Jiri Vanek <jvanek@xxxxxxxxxx>: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> If my brain's built-in translator is working correctly, does this mean you're withdrawing your announcement and deprecation? I'd very very much welcome that! > >> No. > > > > Indeed. In f42 all older jdks 17-8 will be gone. Until EOL of f41, I will do my best to keep it alive. If you will move to Temurins in meantime (the repository is already available) better for everybody I think. > > I guess, that’s really a bad decision. No it's not. OpenJDK 11 is 6 years old, OpenJDK 8 is almost 11 now, it was released one day before my daughter was born! I'm sure you'd like that we still shipped Gnome 2 as the default desktop? Seriously, let's move on. If you need to use legacy tools, you can use Temurin 11 for as long as they do these builds, they integrate with Fedora, but you don't need to use an RPM either, it's free software, fully based on the upstream sources, they are part of the OpenJDK community. Not sure what's your problem, really. Cheers, Mario > Currently, Jakarta EE 10 - a core part of the Java universe – is the current release (unless I missed the final EE 11 release announcement) and is specified for Java SE 11 & 17. And we are going to remove just these versions in F42? > > And Wildfly – part of our own software family – says "You need Java (at least version 11, and preferably 17) and Maven installed on your machine …“ [1] (Link prominently on the landing page). And we are going to remove just these versions in F42? > > That seems pretty crazy to me. > > And wouldn't it perhaps make sense to ask our users beforehand or at least analyze the downloads to see what the actual demand is? > > And no, Temurin is not a solution for Fedora, because by policy we only accept Fedora-built packages for distribution or system installations. For this to be a solution, we would have to find with FESCO a similar solution for Eclipse Foundation as we have for flatpaks for Workstation. (Such a solution would be progress in more ways than one.) > > As chaotic as we currently handle it, it's not surprising that I keep coming across admins who leave RHEL / Fedora Server for Debian / Ubuntu. What a pitty. > > > > [1] https://www.wildfly.org/get-started/ > > — > Peter Boy > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pboy > PBoy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Timezone: CET (UTC+1) / CEST (UTC+2) > > Fedora Server Edition Working Group member > Fedora Docs team contributor and board member > Java developer and enthusiast > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue -- Mario Torre Manager, Software Engineering, Red Hat OpenJDK, Java Champion https://keybase.io/neugens 9704 A60C B4BE A8B8 0F30 9205 5D7E 4952 3F65 7898 Mastodon: https://mastodon.social/@MarioTorre Red Hat GmbH, Registered seat: Werner von Siemens Ring 12, D-85630 Grasbrunn, Germany Commercial register: Amtsgericht Muenchen/Munich, HRB 153243, Managing Directors: Ryan Barnhart, Charles Cachera, Michael O'Neill, Amy Ross -- _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
