On Thu, Jun 13, 2024 at 11:44 AM Ben Cotton <bcotton@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 10:51 PM Gary Buhrmaster > <gary.buhrmaster@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jun 13, 2024 at 1:35 AM Kevin Kofler via devel > > <devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > But it is the ONLY approach that is compatible with Fedora policies, and as > > > such should be required. ESPECIALLY for a package like QEMU that many people > > > are using. > > > > Please provide your audited (by a 3rd party) data that shows > > that MANY (i.e. significant percentage of) people on x86_64-v1 > > users have a need for qemu. > > > > Those without actual data are simply offering an opinion, > > and should be dismissed without further consideration. > > > > We will all wait for your 3rd party validation of your data. > > This isn't a constructive way to have the conversation. As you pointed > out in an earlier message, no one has this data, so all of us are left > to take our best guess at it. Let's be respectful to each other about > it. > > For myself, I think it's reasonable to conclude there's a non-trivial > amount of people using QEMU on that hardware in some fashion. Much of > that is probably from podman as opposed to running large virtualized > environments at this point, but the podman use case is important for a > lot of people. > > From the previous times the baseline conversation has happened, I > suspect that I am more open to raising it than Kevin is, but I agree > with his general direction here. Absent reliable data, I tend toward a > conservative approach to dropping hardware support. But there's no > easy answer here. If QEMU upstream is *really* set on unconditionally raising their required x86_64 ISA version, and cannot be convinced that this course of action would be painful for distributions like Fedora, then I think we should at least have a self-contained change for the QEMU update that introduces this change. Fabio -- _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
