On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 at 13:07, Peter Boy <pboy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > We had a spirited and detailed discussion so far. But nevertheless, I think we are none the wiser at the moment. We have many informative contributions to the discussion and analyses of the situation. > > However, we lack concepts on how to proceed after removing java-maint-sig. What consequences do we draw from the analyses? > > Emmanuel Seyman has made some suggestions, about 16 posts back. Thoughts on those? I posted on the java list some ideas some time ago ('Empowering Fedora Java’). Any comments on those? > > > Like many Open Source projects, Fedora is a "do-ocracy" -- those who step up to do the work win the responsibility of getting it done. If you have a clear goal in mind, just go for it. As I said before there's always a lot of discussion from people who, in the end, never get involved. And then there are people who are quietly working away and Getting Things Done™ without the need for endless discussion. A good example is Nicolas De Amicis who recently stepped up to revive SWT because he really cares about openjfx in Fedora and SWT was a dependency. And that is awesome; it is the do-ocracy in action! Picking a goal you care about and setting about achieving it doesn't require a SIG, it requires you to "do." So, do you have any specific, concrete goal you want to achieve? If the removal of a Java package has affected you directly or a Java application you care about is in danger of being removed that would be a excellent place to start. -- Mat Booth http://fedoraproject.org/get-fedora _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure