On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 5:28 PM Robbie Harwood <rharwood@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > You would not expect a GCC devroom to be concerned about the problems > > of all packages written in C and C++, so why would Java be any > > different? > > Honestly? I totally would expect that. Wouldn't that be better for > everyone? > > Compilers aren't special here: every package that wishes to continue to > have users *needs* to care about those users. Maintenance and features > need to be tailored to actual use cases. Otherwise, it's a waste of > time, and just further irritates said users. That's not the place for such discussions, this is not a problem that is general to Java (and wouldn't be general to the C or C++ languages in the case of the GCC example above), is specific to Fedora and even more specific to some of the packages and needs to be addressed within the Fedora community. If there are problems that leak upstream in terms of patching requirements the maintainers (and perhaps the package users) have the duty to carry this work, you can't expect the rest of the world to discuss those issues during a developer conference dedicated to the programming language and its development, even when there is a mild overlap in interest because some of the involved people are the same, and neither you can draw conclusions on the interests of the Red Hat Java leadership based on the schedule alone. To get back on topic, I don't have the feeling that the java packaging is so dismantled, and I use java packages from RHEL and Fedora often, but I do know there's a series of problems with some of the packages, and I understand from this thread that some of the issues stem from the decision to use modules (sorry, I don't make the rules here, and while I also don't understand why modules are such a hot topic I can't help on the merit). Now, a constructive discussion would go toward suggestions on how to fix those problems not focus on pointless deliberation on what or how the Java DevRoom should be run and whether it should transform into a Fedora Java Packaging DevRoom. So, what are your suggestions, and what can we do to help? Cheers, Mario -- Mario Torre Associate Manager, Software Engineering Red Hat GmbH <https://www.redhat.com> 9704 A60C B4BE A8B8 0F30 9205 5D7E 4952 3F65 7898 _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
