Re: Let's talk about Fedora in the '20s!

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On Tue, Jan 7, 2020, at 6:41 AM, Tom Hughes wrote:
>
> I'd love to find a way to directly integrate the likes of gem, npm
> etc directly into our packaging rather than us having to repackage
> everything by hand but I just don't see any way of doing it without
> compromising what we do to the extent that we're not really doing
> anything useful at all and are just shoveling out whatever nonsense
> upstreams perpetrate without question.

Implicit in this is the idea that value should be captured at a secondary distribution layer.  Implicit in this is the idea that distribution forks *need* to happen.  But they don't.

In fact, everyone here can work upstream too!  If e.g. someone upstream messes up licensing, the mindset shouldn't be "oh man those upstream developers are incompetent, let's patch it downstream".

Join upstream.  Review *code* not spec files.  Fix *code* not spec files.  That's the most valuable thing for FOSS - not spec files.

If there's an upstream that isn't doing the right thing (consistently) - fork the upstream, don't fork it at the package level.  That way, work can be shared across multiple distributions.  

Even ignoring others, the Red Hat ecosystem today has 3 distributions - it's simply better to work upstream as much as possible, and avoid duplicating work across those 3 downstreams.
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