On Tue, Nov 05, 2019 at 01:08:23PM -0500, Neal Gompa wrote: > I think I mentioned that it would be possible, as OpenPKG actually > worked this way. > > The key for this would be improving the user-experience with > interacting with source RPMs and spec files with DNF. We've optimized > *heavily* for remote builds, but a good chunk of how Gentoo's > mechanism works is built around supporting local permutations. We just > don't have that fleshed out yet. Well, exactly. This is what I meant with my short "who is going to do that work?" comment. Gentoo's solution is not a drop-in thing for Fedora and would require changes to RPM, DNF, and the *significant* work of figuring out what all this would mean in a binary-focused distribution. We'd certainly need a whole *new* MBS equivalent, and there's surely a ton of "unknown unknowns" lurking as well. And then all of that would get us to... sort of where we are now? Basically the same thing as with Modularity's "virtual repositories" approach with different tradeoffs? If someone thinks that my skepticism is wrong and that the Modularity team is on the complete wrong path, I have no objection to anyone who wants to work on something new solution, either as a prototype or a more detailed proposal. Awesome! If it gets to the point where it's a viable alternative, we can weigh those options. But the team in Fedora actually working on Modularity today includes some pretty smart, very invested Fedora people and I don't feel bad at all about standing up for their wanting to continue to refine the path they've chosen and are working on. To me this is just like the Flatpak and Snap thing — both have some strengths and weaknesses. I'm absolutely supportive of the effort of the Workstation team (and Red Hat's Desktop team!) to drive that work in Fedora. I happen to personally (and professionally) think that's good for Fedora. But I'm _also_ happy to make room for you and whoever else to work on doing something similar with Snap. If someone were to come by and say "I don't understand why you're doing all this, when it's been solved by AppImage since 2004", I'd say the same thing I'm telling Randy: you're welcome to work on that, but it's rude to tell the people who are invested in building something different that _they're_ the problem. If that's demoralizing... well, I don't know what to to tell you. I want to support people doing things and exploring and contributing. -- Matthew Miller <mattdm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Fedora Project Leader _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
